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I'm sure you've all seen the many variations of the "it's not looting if you're white" discussions and AP photos going around. I haven't read all of them, because it infuriates me too much. Not, however, for the reasons most of the people spreading it seem to be angered by, but because it's an overreaction to a non-existent slight.

First and foremost:
There are two people in the "finding food" picture. One is a Caucasian male. The other is a multi-racial woman. Not white.

Further:
Remember the old saying "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity/incompetence/etc."? Same thing. Many different photographers are at work. Many different people are writing captions. Editors are making their selections under all sorts of pressure -- and there's more than one editor, too! Perhaps one or more caption writers are avoiding the word "looting" altogether, and that "finding" photo landed on the desk of such a writer. Perhaps the writer who got the "looking through a shopping bag" photo wanted to refrain from making accusations about someone when there's no evidence -- we don't know what's in the shopping bag. The editors are more concerned about "Is it ready (cropped, etc.)? Is it in focus? Can we make the deadliine?"

Also, consider demographics. The people still in the city are, for the most part, the ones who couldn't afford to leave. The poorest of the poor. Now, I don't have numbers to hand, but I've lived in the South. Chances are very good that there are more non-Caucasian people than Caucasians in the city right now. There's white folks, too, of course, but I suspect that the balance in the photos is pretty close to the balance in the population.

There is no conspiracy here. I've seen no evidence whatsoever of racism. And it infuriates me that people are so quick to see what isn't there and blow it up when there are so many more important things to be concerned about, like the impact of the Iraq War on the availability of people and financial resources to deal with the aftermath -- people and money that probably could have reduced the impact in the first place, had they been available.

I'm not locking this, but I am screening comments by non-friends. I don't want to deal with random trolls.

Edit for clarity, since it's come up in comments a few times:
What bothers me is the immediate "It's the south, it must be all about race!" assumption, which seems to ignore real issues like "Is it really looting to grab food and other necessities, many of which are perishable?" and "Why wasn't more assisstance provided to help poorer folks evacuate?"

Edit the second: This is the post that put me over the edge on this. I initially refrained from linking to it to give the author a chance to reconsider it, but since he has made no response, there you go.

Date: 2005-08-31 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davedujour.livejournal.com
I don't think there needs to be a conspiracy for there to be racism. And I now that there are different caption writers, editors, etc. who are responsible for the different papers. I still found the juxtaposition of the two photos to be, well, frustrating.
I'll also note that I found the photo with "looting" on CNN's site too, and it said something entirely different.

Date: 2005-08-31 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
Which two are you referring to? The [livejournal.com profile] blackfolks post that seems to have started this had four picutes, sceencapped from yahoo, if I recall correctly.

Date: 2005-08-31 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
Er, [livejournal.com profile] blackfolk, that is.

Date: 2005-08-31 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koyote.livejournal.com
Hrm. See, there's a whole other picture people are missing.

In NOLA right now, taking food, water, daipers, formula, and first aid stuff from a closed store- or anywhere except a red cross station or working hospital- well, is it looting? Forget white and black and creole and whatever. When you are left behind by you larger society to fend for yourself in a disaster like this, getting food ain't looting.

Now, Police piling up on DVDs from walmart... that may be looting.


Date: 2005-08-31 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
You're right about that, and I probably should've mention that, but the looting-vs.-not looting discussions that don't bring race into it don't anger me the same way. It's the whole "It's the south so it must be All About Race!" attitude that infuriates me.

Date: 2005-08-31 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koyote.livejournal.com
I agree, it is infuriating. Especially in NO. (there's a lot of historical reason why NO has been less involved in the jim crow racism of the historical south in general)

I'm just offering up another possible reason an editor might choose to avoid the L word :)

Date: 2005-08-31 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joxn.livejournal.com
I disagree. I think it is extremely important to start pushing back on this, loud, and long; because the entire "looting" narrative is the nose of the "blame the victim" camel that is eager to come into the tent of discourse. Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon (http://www.pandagon.net/archives/2005/08/busting_out_the.html) has a great post detailing the rhetorical possibilities a "looting" myth opens up.

I think it has to be faced that New Orleans is practically destroyed. If it doesn't get rebuilt, and it's hard to see how that's going to happen, it's going to be our first post-apocalyptic urban wasteland. All that stuff that people are "looting"? It's not going to be salvageable anyway once the city has filled up with water.

As [livejournal.com profile] koyote points out, breaking into a Walgreens to get food and medicine is not looting. Anything else people manage to steal, they're going to have to leave behind anyway -- New Orleans is under a total evacuation order. And people who don't evacuate? ... well, see "urban wasteland" above.

Date: 2005-08-31 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
And as I said to [livejournal.com profile] koyote, the aspect that angers me is the "It's the South, it must be All About Race!" It's entirely possible to discuss whether the behavior is looting without bringing race into it, and that is the more important discussion.

Date: 2005-08-31 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Well... there's two types of racism.

When "driving while black" is still a crime, there is racism. A police officer who pulls over black people who "look suspicious" might be willing to share his or her last crust of bread with a hungry black person... but still feels suspicious about black folks when looking out for suspicious characters.

Just because a person isn't a hateful bigot doesn't mean s/he doesn't have any racist prejudices.

(Re: prejudices, when I was teaching math, I had a black student in a class. I felt bad, because he was falling behind, and I thought maybe, hey, a lot of black folks come from bad schools, maybe he doesn't have enough prep work. That's prejudice. It's not a bad or evil prejudice, but it is me making an uninformed guess based upon race.)

Herm. In Star Wars I, George Lucas had one of the bad guy races have a Fu Manchu-ish bad Asian accent. Was that bigotry or hatred? No. But I bet there was some unconscious racism involved. Ditto with Jar Jar. That doesn't mean I think Lucas is evil, or that I'd boycott the movie. I don't think he would have done it, if he understood how it looked. Nevertheless, he didn't see it, and I wish other folks did... not to stamp out bigotry (because there wasn't any) but to help reduce racism, even on the unconscious level.

Date: 2005-08-31 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
But is highlighting the differences in captioning on the AP pictures, which may well be no more than coincidence, really, in any way, constructive? Since it's extremely unlikely that the same person used "looting" in cationing pictures showing only black folks, but chose not to in pictures with white folks in them, and more likely that different people wrote the captions, what is the point?

well

Date: 2005-08-31 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roobug.livejournal.com
there's a difference between racism and unconscious negative bias. most people in america have an unconscious negative bias for black people, and it isn't the same as thinking the black people are bad, but it does result in discrimination (unconsious) and profiling and all that. and it's fucked up.

it's measurable though, have you seen the iat tests from https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/measureyourattitudes.html

you can also measure your implicit associations (good/bad) for fat people, elderly, disable, and a bunch of other minorites...

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Date: 2005-08-31 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Well... how would it make things better if this were just blown off and ignored? What bad things would be avoided?

What bad things could happen if it was blown off, and there was some unconscious racism involved? It's a balancing act.

Keep in mind that, right now, what I've seen is people making noise. Is this worth making some noise over? I don't know; noise is such a funny thing.

Would it be worth diverting energy from something that is clearly going to have an effect, something that might actually make the world a bit better for a few people? Probably not.

So, I'm approaching this from the perspective of "okay, some people are making noise, but, really, it's no big deal."

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Date: 2005-08-31 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trendywendy.livejournal.com
I think the pictures are pretty representative because more blacks do live in the areas that the media is covering. I haven't seen anything from Uptown or Metairie/Kenner, which are much whiter areas - everything I'm seeing is from the Ninth Ward or Downtown, which isn't as white of an area. There are many, many black people in New Orleans on a normal day, which I think is what most people forget.

Date: 2005-08-31 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
I don't know NO geograhpy well -- I was last there more than 20 years ago for eye surgery at Tulane. Are the whiter areas you name also wealthier areas, where few people (if any) were unable to evacuate, or are they poor areas with remaining residnets, but which aren't getting the media attention?

Date: 2005-08-31 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penguinicity.livejournal.com
Yes to the first - uptown is very wealthy (and where Tulane university is located (but not the medical center which is near the CBD)). The 9th ward and east NO got hit harder earlier than Kenner and Metarie. Partly because they were closer to the center of the hurricane, partly because they are lower, and lower areas tend to be poorer in N.O.

Date: 2005-08-31 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trendywendy.livejournal.com
The Ninth Ward is filled with projects, so it's pretty poor. Metairie/Kenner are the burbs and Uptown varies widely.

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Date: 2005-08-31 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcart.livejournal.com
There's a whole lot more at work here than just a couple of photos. I think if you really look into this on your own, you'll see a much larger pattern.

You may recall that I did my fair share of defending the south against the wrong perceptions of midwesterners on heinous/atrium/eschwa. I don't at all believe this is a "it's the south, it must be about race" issue. To me, it's more like "this is the american media and it's typical unthinking racism at work again" issue.

You can be racist without being malicious about it. I don't feel that most racism is of the hateful, malicious KKK type. It's the clueless, ignorant unself-conscious type. So this can be racist and be explained by stupidity.

A whole lot of the coverage of this tragedy, not just the photo captions have fallen into easily predictable racist patterns that our media is really quite famous for.

Date: 2005-08-31 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
Can you point me to some good examples? because most of what I've seen so far focuses on the handful of photos/captions in the [livejournal.com profile] blackfolk past, and the responses have been so much "Of course it's racism!" that I can't stand to read them. (As I said above, there's a specific post that pushed me over the edge on this, but I[m refraining from linking to it until the author, who apparently does not have LJ access at work, has a chance to respond to the current comments and reconsider.)

Date: 2005-08-31 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mhaille.livejournal.com
I'd like more examples as well.. I am one of the people who linked to the [livejournal.com profile] blackfolk post and am considering editing the link to read "unthinking bias" instead of "racism".. however, I do think that the captions are a symptom of the larger subtle bias in our media that portrays blacks as criminals, by and large.

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Date: 2005-09-01 02:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
i'm shrugging this one off as "much ado about very little". i do find the word choices interesting, and i have absolutely no doubt that there's a racial bias in play. that is news?

btw, this notion that the woman is "multi-racial" -- say what? how white does she have to be before she's "white"? to me she looks like she could easily be italian. the arguments about her ethnicity are pretty interesting too, IMO; there's a pile of unspoken assumptions present as well.

but yeah, i am not gonna get all het up about those captions. they were not even from the same agency, which would at least make them somewhat comparable, as it stands, they're just two blips in the big media see.

what i find much, much more upsetting is the racism that leaves the poorest of the poor behind to drown.

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Date: 2005-09-01 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
this notion that the woman is "multi-racial"

This is why I hesitated a good while before I made this post. Because it's really hard to talk about without steppiong on tomatoes. But I grew up in the South. I saw who was considerede "white" by the tiny minority who cared -- and I want to emphasize that it was a tiny minority -- and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be. It's partly skin tone, partly facial structure. She doesn't look Italian to me. She looks like one of the common Southern blends -- strong Native American component, some white-European. some black, maybe other things. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Date: 2005-09-01 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kat-chan.livejournal.com
I find it weird that there's all of this concern about how the media is covering things, and not so much concern about what has led to the situation. The cutting of funding to improve the levee system in New Orleans. The half of the LA National Guard that aren't available for disaster relief duty because they're in Iraq. The inaction on global warming that led surface temperatures in the Gulf to be in the 90s, which in turn allowed a storm to go from tropical storm strength when it came off the west coast of Florida to blow up into a Category 5 storm before it weakened slightly and hit land.

Yes, the media may be biased. Yes, it probably is racist. But while those are important issues at another time, the most important thing right now should be "why is this happening now?" and "how can it be prevented in the future?"

Date: 2005-09-01 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
Yes, that. Exactly.

looting vs finding

Date: 2005-09-02 11:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
in case you hadn't seen it, somebody has tracked down the photographers for those pictures and asked them about the situations and their word choices: http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

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Date: 2005-09-02 11:13 pm (UTC)
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/nolly/155953.html :)
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